WAR: open conflict between states/ nations
ETHICS: discipline dealing with what is good and bad and with moral duty and obligation
ETHICS OF WAR: rules, good and bad- whats morally right or wrong- while two opposing nations are at conflict

"Listening for the footsteps, for the shouting of guards. The fear of men. Of what they can do to women." (p. 53)
The women in the concentration camps feared the soldiers. The soldiers basically did whatever they wanted to the women and the children in the camp. The women were afraid to simply walk around because if a soldier thought a woman was attractive, they would take her to a room and rape her.

"I saw three dead girls in a ditch. I knew them from school. They were naked. Their breasts had been cut off. I covered them with leaves." (p. 54)
This quote demonstrates the brutality of the soldiers. The girls that were killed weren't even in a camp. They were in their home village that the soldiers came and invaded. These girls were attacked for the simple reason that their ethnicity was Muslim.

"Burning human corpses in wheelies is something else. It's an unacceptable act." (p. 90)
The soldiers took the dead bodies of the women from the camp and piled them on a wheelie. To get rid of all the bodies they lit them on fire. The women were stuck dealing with the smell of human flesh, knowing that those bodies could have easily been their own.

S. finds E. dead. She poisoned herself. She left a note for S. to find:
Dear S., Forgive me. I am the one who took your gold jewelery, yours and the other women's. I did it for my little girl. I used it to bribe the soldiers to leave her alone. I hope you understand. Yesterday I realized that all my efforts to spare her were in vain. I can't go on.
Goodbye, Love, E.
E. had a twelve year old daughter with her and bribed the soldiers to leave her alone. It worked for a while, but the night before the women were liberated the soldiers raped and killed E.'s daughter. That's why E. poisoned herself. (p. 120)

"They will trail this dark, heavy ballast behind them wherever they wind up, all these people will reek of the past." (p.157)
This is one of S.'s thoughts. She says that the memories of what happened in the camp will always haunt them. The women will never truely be free because of their awful memories. Some women are even stuck with the barren of carrying a baby that isn't even theirs.

Source: (Drakulic, Slavenka. S. A Novel About the Balkans. United States: Viking Penguin, 1999.)


"Sometimes you have to put your fears in order". (p.87 Extremely Loud and Incredibly Close)
-If someones at war and is in constantly scared and in fear then they might put themselves or someone else in danger by not being completly focused. IN Extremely Loud and Incredibly Close Oskar is always inventing ways that he and others are going to die. He invents the ways his father died too, when he thinks about all these things it makes him afraid of more and more things.

"I asked him which was his last war, he said cutting down the tree was the last war". (p.161 Extremely Loud and Incredibly Close)
-A war does not have to be your typical battle with weapons and killing, it can also be an internal or personal conflict.

"Thats the difference between heaven and hell, in hell we starve in heaven we feed eachother". (p.164 Extremely Loud and Incredibly Close)
- During war the quote shows how people can still care about each other in the worse situations.

Foer, Jonathan. Extremely Loud and Incredibly Close. New York: Houghton Mifflin Company, 2006.


"Honor on the battlefield is a sniper's ethic. He shows it by the standards and discipline with which he lives life in combat. By the decency he shows his comrades. And by the rules he adheres to when meeting the enemy.''
pg # xi, from marine sniper ( 93 confirmed kills)

'' The sniper does not hate the enemy; he respects him or her as a quarry, Psychologically, the only motives that will sustain the sniper is the knowledge that he is doing a necessary job and the confidence that he is the best person to do it.on the battlefield hate will destroy any man- and a sniper quicker than most.''

Good quotes, but where is your analysis?


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This picture shows the horrible conditions that the prisoners of war live in. As you can see, the man in the picture has literally no meat on his bones. The prisoners of war are starved and forced to do labor. They are not treated properly. The women in the Balkan War were treated like this.

Source: (wartime concentration. (online image). 8 March 2010. <http.//>)

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This cartoon is showing how the Serbian general of the war is seen as evil. It's saying he has no heart or soul after putting people in concentration camps and torturing them endlessly.

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This picture is another that shows how the prisoners in concentration camps are starved and are killed because of the horrible conditions they are forced to live in.
What is the source?


**© By Anonymous**

It's impossible in this day and age
to pick up the paper and not read the page
of the talk of the people who live in Iraq,
of the starving, the killing, the child who looks sad.
She looks 9 or 10, yet she knows in her heart
what the war does to her people and where it leaves scars.

There is so much chaos, so much indecisiveness.
Who should lead us in this fight,
or is there a peaceful alternative?
My heart is heavier, though I don't really know why.
I never cared about politics, who lived and who died.

But as I'm putting my babies down for the night
I cry, I pray, and I hold them so tight.
When they are older, what will this world be.
And is who's running it now see what I see?

Do they look at their babies, the innocence and love.
Do they stop to wonder what exactly is this world made up of?

It is you and me, my neighbors and friends,
my loved ones, my enemies, the women and men
who don't want to fight, but don't know what else to do.
Who every night say a prayer that our choice is true.

What do we do? What should we say?
when our children look up at us one day.
Asking us why their world is this way.
Will we be able to tell them we made the right choice?
Can we see in our heart, can we hear in our voice,
that the future is bright, and the choice we made right?

This is my tear, this is my fear.


This poem shows how even if you're not directly involved in the war, you are still effected. This author doesn't want her children to see the world the way it truely is. With fighting and killing. The innocent children will wonder why their world is this way and then their innocence will eventually die and they will grow up knowing this way and only the way of the war. The author is questioning if fighting is the right choice. The children certainly won't understand how it's the right choice and that's basically what the author is saying. This relates to "ethics of war" because the poem is questioning if fighting and killing other people is right. It's questioning if there is really ever a true reason to kill others.


"Power to the Peacful"- Anti-Flag
Sons and daughters of a dream
The urge to struggle for an ideal
To stay and fight
Oppose war fever
Refuse to kill or be killed
Depending on who you are some people support war and others oppose it. The song shows that even if you oppose war some people still serve in order to meet there wants and have the life they've dreamed of.

"Easy, lucky, free" - The Bright Eyes
But I can't help it now
Looking for faces in the clouds
I got some friends I barely see
But we're all planning to meet
We'll lay in bags as dead as leaves
All together for eternity
The song has a good outlook on a bad situation, even if your dead or know someone who died it shows that you know you'll see them again someday.

"Where is the love?" by Black Eyed Peas
People killin', people dyin'
Children hurt and you hear them cryin'
Can you practice what you preach
And would you turn the other cheek

Father, Father, Father help us
Send some guidance from above
'Cause people got me, got me questionin'
Where is the love (Love)


Song analysis?

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Analysis of these Websites?

Where is your summary and analysis of this topic -- Ethics of War? How does your definition of what it means to be a soldier change when you take into account the different points of view shown through each of your books as well as the perspectives demonstrated through everything else you have added to this page?