Nick G

Rise over Fallujah shows how the ethics of war can be confusing. They don't know who is good and who is bad until they start shooting at them or set off an IED on the road they are driving down. I believe this would be confusing and also scary. They would get different cards telling them who they can shoot and who they could not all the time so it was like the rules were always changing. I don't think the ethics of war are very clear.

They always need to do the right thing and make to right move or they could just make things worse in Iraq. This could be tough but very important as civil affairs people. They need people to like them and not shoot the good people or there will be problems. At the beginning the colonel says "If we go into Iraq the people there will be watching the combat troops, seeing how well they perform their duties as well as how we treat the local population. But the most lasting impression will be of you soldiers working civil affairs." this shows the importance of their job in Iraq and how they should act.

War ethics are important because friendly fire can cause deaths and civilians that should not die. Military ethics are discussed in military classes so they know the difference between right and wrong. This interview and recording in a military class at WestPoint shows some reactions on war ethics. war ethics This site shows how not many people know how war and ethics compare. It takes a little while for someone to answer the guest speakers question about ethics and war.


A gun is an important symbol with war ethics. It is the biggest tool used in war.
A gun is an important symbol with war ethics. It is the biggest tool used in war.


Fighting the war in iraq includes following orders and listening to other soldiers orders. They need to know whenits right to listen and act. In this video a soldier yells "Frag Out" meaning he is throwing a granade. It is the other soldiers responsibiliity to hear this and respond yelling "Frag Out" so the soldier throwing the frag knows its okay to throw it.
War in Fallujah





Jason G
Ethics of War
The Ethics of War is the philosophy dealing with values relating to human conduct, with respect to the rightness and wrongness of certain actions and to goodness and badness of the motives and ends of such actions during war.
"American soldiers in the wetlands of Vietnam"
"American soldiers in the wetlands of Vietnam"

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This picture shows Marines walking through a swamp in Vietnam, keeping their weapons above the water was important because their weapons were their lives.

Mick Terry's Silent Tree
" A song about fighting in
Vietnam"
We had been in country nearly three days.
So far, Charlie had not yet been seen.
Our uniforms dripped with rancid sweat.
Our whole world was shades of tan and green.
Out on point, I led our squad through thick vines,
when there's suddenly one man ahead.
I don't know who was the more surprised,
but one of us would soon be dead.

Seconds ticked by, dragging to forever,
with his eyes completely locked to mine.
Instead of fear, curiosity,
with his head the slightest bit inclined.
Then my training fin'lly took me over,
M-16 spit bullets through his gills.
My sergeant slapped me upon my back,
congratulating my first kill.

FACE TO FACE, it's all right in this moment.
FACE TO FACE, it all adds up to now.
Just where our lives are leading from ecstasy to torment:
FACE TO FACE.

There's a battle raging in the forest.
There's a battle raging in my head.
A man lies dead in the jungle path,
all his clothing turning into red.
From his pocket falls a damaged photo
of him holding his young daughter close.
I've seen a lot of- fam'ly shots,
but this one haunts me more than most.

CHORUS

Thirty years pass: still I had that photo
'til I left it at the Viet Wall.
Thought maybe now I could find some peace.
Maybe that would be the end of it all.
But behind the scenes, there's something happ'ning:
items left there honored in a book.
Beyond my reach, out of my control,
I'm forced to take another look.

Is it just coincidence that leads us through our lives?
Is this all just happenstance or some divine- purpose?

Through a sequence I can barely fathom,
here I find myself again in 'Nam.
Bouquet in hand, I approach the home
of the girl I took her father from.
What does one say to someone that you've orphaned?
How does one ask someone to forgive?
With grace and warmth, she accepts me in:
a closure where her father lives.

These song lyrics were are about American Soldiers who just arrived to Vietnam, it describes the things that happened to them. Also it describes how the choices one made during the Vietnam war had on the rest of that soldier's life. When the American soldiers first arrived in Vietnam it was quit, but after a sort while the fighting began and many died. The lyrics that best describe this are "We had been in country nearly three days. So far, Charlie had not yet been seen. Our uniforms dripped with rancid sweat. Our whole world was shades of tan and green. Out on point, I led our squad through thick vines,when there's suddenly one man ahead.I don't know who was the more surprised, but one of us would soon be dead. These very lyrics describe how when the American soldiers first got there, there was no sign of the enemy, but sortly after, they were fighting for their lives.

This video shows real footage from the Vietnam war, where American soldiers are ambushed by Vietcong Snipers. It is just like in the book Marine Sniper by Charles Henderson , when American Snipers led by Sergeant Carlos Hathcock ambush a group of Vietcong. This video connects with the topic Ethics of War becasue in normal war one waits until one is fired upon to shoot the enemy, but in the video the the Vietcong snipers shoot at the Americans without being shoot at first.


In the Book Marine Sniper by Charles Henderson, Sergeant Carlos Hathcock delt very much so with the Ethics of War. He did this becasue of his duty as a scott sniper, which job was to hunt and kill the enemy in vietnam. In war one does not usually shoot at the enemy until shot upon, or if danger to his/her life is felt. For Carlos, his rules of engagement were completly different, he went out and hunted his enemy, most of the time without them even knowing he was there. This is a very big Ethical decsion on his part, becasue he was killing someone for no reason, just becasue he was the enemy. In the beginning of the book Sergeant Carlos Hathcock was faced with a tough Ethical decsion becasue a young vietnamese boy, riding a bike loaded with weapons for the Veitcong was traveling down the road from him. Carlos knew that the boy was just the mule for the Viet Cong and that he was doing the work that men should be doing, not young boys. Carlos knew that if the boy got the weapons to the enemy, they might be used to kill fellow Marines. He told himself " Children in war grow up quickly. And Marines die as fast as they do from bullets fired by twelve-year-old boys as they do from bullets fired by men. " At first Carlos shot at the boys bike to knock him off and make him not want to deliver the guns to the Viet Cong. After his warning shot, the boy picked up a weapon, loaded it, and shot towards him, so Carlos dropped him dead.
" Hathcock never wanted to kill men, much less Children." He was faced with a decsion that he will have to deal with the rest of his life. Carlos knew that if he did not kill that boy, the weapons he delivered would most likely kill his friends, and fellow Marines. Ethics of War, can be view upon in many different ways, but some things about it are very clear from an American Soldiers standpoint. In war an Ethical choice in engaging the enemy is not to do until being fired upon, but in the Book Marine Sniper, Sargeant Carlos Hathcock and his snipers would go out and hunt the enemy, which goes against the Ethical way of doing things in war.

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The song Born in the USA by Bruce Springsteen was written about the problems Vietnam veterans encountered when they returned to America. Vietnam was the first war the US didn't win, and while the veterans of other wars received a hero's welcome, those who fought in Vietnam were mostly ignored when they returned to the states. The Book Marine Sniper by Charles Henderson, which takes place in the Vietnam war, is about a Scott Sniper who's job is all about hunting the enemy before they kill his fellow marines. This song relates to my book in a major way because the soldiers in the song face problems when they get home because of the war, the Scott sniper, who's name is Carlos, also faced problems when he got home and during his service. He was not a normal Marine, he was a sniper, and at that time period, it was no herd of. Carlos was one of the first of his kind, he went against most of the Ethics of war, by going out and hunting the enemy. For this a lot of fellow Marines really didn't want a whole division of Scoot Snipers. For both the soldiers in the song and Carlos Hathcock, they were just doing their jobs, and still were not seen as heros, even though they were risking their lives day in and day out.

Sergeant Carlos Hathcock
Sergeant Carlos Hathcock

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In the Marine corps certain people are known as legends, and Sergeant Carlos Hathcock is one of them. He know as a legend because of his amazing marksmanship skills with a sniper rifle. He served two tours in Vietnam and during those two tours he has 93 confirmed kills. He was what got the Marine corps having a Scott Sniper unit with each battalion. This picture relates to my topic, which is the Ethics of war because at this time period in war it was not Ethical to kill an enemy soldier unless your life or a fellow soldiers life was in danger. Sergeant Hathcock's job was the exact opposite, because his job as a Scott Sniper was to go out and hunt the enemy, most of the time the enemy didn't even know he was there.

The history about the vietnam war
This page explain in detail about the Vietnam war, and why the American soldiers had to do the things they did in order to survive. The main reason was because the enemy was so hard to fined.

For all the American soldiers who fought in the Vietnam war, they were physically tested as well as mentally tested. They were physically tested because of the hot weather and rough travel in Vietnam. They were mentally tested because of the choices they were forced to make in the war. A prime example is one made by the choices Sergeant Carlos Hathcock had to make. It is a prime example because Carlos was a Scott Sniper, who's job was to hunt out and kill the enemy. This is tough mentally because it goes against all Ethics of war. For many soldiers in war, they are taught certain Ethics of war or also known as the rights and wrongs of war, but for Carlos, he was taught the opposite. He was taught to search out and hunt the enemy, without the enemy even engaging him first.
Shannon Z

The ethics of war are defined as the study of morality's effect on conduct: the study of moral standards and how they affect conduct
In the book S. the soldiers are focused on the most. They have bad morals because of their actions. They pick the loveliest and most shapely women and make them go into what is called the women’s room. In the women’s room which they are raped and beaten almost every night. War has bad ethics all around no matter which aspect you look form, the ethics are bad but not all bad.


They Can No Longer Hurt Me

© Sabrina Child

Blood boiled in every vain,
Like a flicker in every flame.
Tears streaming from my eyes,
Cause my life is built on lies.
Over powered by my fears,
So I kept quiet for many years.
The secrets tore me up inside.
With a twisted mind and arms atied
They took their turns,
So I buried the burns.
I grew up thinking it was my fault.
My fault for every rape, and every assault.
Those dark memories still haunt my brain,
And still I feel I'm the one to blame.
Every night I lie awake,
Wondering how much I can take.
If only someone would have listened,
To the screams and to the pleads.
Maybe I could have ended it all,
And still be able to stand tall.
But enough's enough.
Tonight I will stay tough
And maybe for once they will see
That they can no longer hurt me.

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This poem refers to S. by Slavenka Drakulic because it stands for all the times the women from the women’s room got raped and they never talked about it they buried there feelings and fears deep inside. The men all took there turns and there faces haunted there victims. Rape is something they could never take back.

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This is the Hospital that S. form the book S. by Slavenka Dtakulic gave birth to her baby boy. The book may be fiction but most of the places the author used were real, just the characters were fiction based.
“S. is still standing next to the stove as if paralyzed. She does not dare move or speak. She realizes that what she is looking at here is the face of what. Somebody simply opens the door of your apartment and war enters your life, enters you. She knows that from this moment on, there are no more obstacles standing between her and war.” p14

This is the beginning of the changes S. starts to see within herself because of the war her morals and ethics begin to change.
“They come to her in her sleep. They do not leave her alone; even here in Sweden they return, like lost luggage arriving on her heels. She often dreams the same dream: she is walking down a street in a strange town. Suddenly she catches sight of a familiar face. She is sure it is one of them. She always has a knife with her in this dream. She walks up to him and stabs him in the stomach, making sure that he gets a good look at her face first. As the knife plunges into him, she feels relieved, even happy. But she sees only surprise in his eyes. The man does not recognize her and is surprised that an utterly strange woman should deal him a lethal blow. S. cries in fury that he did not recognize her as his victim and that her revenge is pointless.” p6
Before the war S. would have never been compelled to do something like this. Even thou she knows killing is wrong war has changed her thought on the subject.
“How could you survive what she had gone through and have it leave no external trace, mark you only from within? Were these traces really so invisible, or was it simply a matter of knowing how to read them?” P8
S. is a soldier of a different kind war has made her hard and strong. She cares about only herself her morals have changed because of war.